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Post by freak on Aug 18, 2009 15:11:44 GMT -6
Okay.
So can we then include Benedict Arnold? John Walker Lindh perhaps?
You don't sell out your country's security and expect to be praised for it.
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Post by sh17 on Aug 18, 2009 16:54:38 GMT -6
Okay. So can we then include Benedict Arnold? John Walker Lindh perhaps? You don't sell out your country's security and expect to be praised for it. Well first of all Benedict Arnold died before the Trifecta even came into being so regardless of his merit or not he will never be considered for this particular thing. Nor will Arnold Benedict, so Razor Ramon won't be confused. Second of all, did he make a mistake in 2003 revealing the identity of that CIA operative? Absolutely. However, last time I checked the last major threat against our country that happened on our soil was 2001 when the 9/11 attacks happened which was 2 years before Novak slipped up on this. Since then the only thing remotely close to a security breach has been that failed North Korea nuclear missile snafu where they aimed for Hawaii but fell horribly short. Nothing has come of that one person being revealed, so I can live with that. The point of the matter is, what Benedict Arnold did selling out the Revolutionary Army to the Redcoats and what Novak did are two completely different things and are not even comparable. I don't really care if you want to keep him out of the Trifecta, but comparing him to the greatest traitor of all American history is a stretch from here to the moon. He didn't "sell out" anything, he made a mistake. We all make them, and the good outweighs the bad in my mind at least. |
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Post by freak on Aug 18, 2009 18:11:32 GMT -6
A mistake does not involve willful actions.
Novak did what he did because he wanted to. It was no accident.
And his actions jeopardized the life of another human being as well as the security of the United States. That's all.
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Post by sh17 on Aug 18, 2009 20:07:28 GMT -6
A mistake does not involve willful actions. Novak did what he did because he wanted to. It was no accident. And his actions jeopardized the life of another human being as well as the security of the United States. That's all. I didn't say accident, I said mistake. There's a difference. If I spill milk because I'm distracted that is both a mistake and an accident. If I answer B on a test because I think that's the right answer, but I miss the question because the answer is A that's a mistake but not an accident. What he did wasn't an accident, it was a mistake. Also as far as jeopardizing human life, I see more people on the highways and byways of this great land endangering more human life than Novak did with his mistake. The security of the United States is always in jeopardy when we are in war time, and nothing came of it as I said earlier since terrorists or alike have not hit our home soil since 2001. If we are going to nitpick on the mistake of one human, then we all better fess up because we all make mistakes. |
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Post by freak on Aug 18, 2009 20:41:42 GMT -6
Will you stop defending what he did?
Stop calling it a mistake. A mistake is accidentally revealing the information. When the revealing is willful and, in this case, retaliatory, it's not a mistake.
The man's actions were despicable and jeopardized the life of a secret agent and-whether you want to admit this or not, and it's obvious you don't- jeopardized our national security. To defend them
or compare what he did to the actions of an idiot driver is damned offensive.
If what he did wasn't wrong then I don't want to be right.
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Post by sh17 on Aug 18, 2009 20:47:14 GMT -6
Will you stop defending what he did? Well, I'm not defending him sir I'm simply fulfilling the quote that Vincent Vega so wisely said back in 1994 that "once a man admits that he's wrong that he is immediately forgiven for all wrongdoings." However, I digress we have become wildly off topic and I do apologize for the tangent but not the content. We currently stand at 3 In and 2 Out, so let us continue |
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Post by freak on Aug 18, 2009 23:07:50 GMT -6
He never apologized for it. He never admitted he was wrong. And he's affirmed that he'd have done the same thing numerous times.
He should've been prosecuted for what he did and should've been thrown in jail.
And as far as I'm concerned, a refusal to condemn him for what he did is a defense of what he did.
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Post by sh17 on Aug 18, 2009 23:29:31 GMT -6
This thread has been hijacked enough, back on topic please if you would sir
I shall refresh the score, 3 say IN, two say OUT. This could complete a trifecta that contains already Les Paul and Eunice Kennedy Shriver
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Post by freak on Aug 18, 2009 23:45:58 GMT -6
This Trifecta, then, is bullshit.
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Post by Hollywood on Aug 19, 2009 9:49:17 GMT -6
Freak, anymore hijacking of this thread, and the three way dance at Summer Bash will become a one-on-one match.
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Post by sh17 on Aug 19, 2009 11:27:46 GMT -6
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Post by freak on Aug 19, 2009 11:46:40 GMT -6
I say IN but I don't think he's as strong a candidate.
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Post by Hollywood on Aug 19, 2009 12:03:19 GMT -6
Don Hewitt- IN!
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Post by fawn on Aug 26, 2009 0:14:34 GMT -6
Hewitt- IN
We can now add Sen. Edward "Teddy" Kennedy to the Trifecta
Seeing how I am a Kennedy buff I have to say In, in, In!
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Post by freak on Aug 26, 2009 0:25:58 GMT -6
Has to be IN.
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