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Post by sh17 on Jun 15, 2009 23:01:43 GMT -6
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Post by Hollywood on Jun 15, 2009 23:05:23 GMT -6
This is why I can't help but laugh at the MMA assholes. I don't mean the true fans such as you, Sam, as well as Reaper. I'm talking about the ones who walk around in tank tops and take pics of themselves shirtless and post their pics on MyspaceTwitterFlickrFacebookwhatever, and think they're better than everybody in the world and call wrestlers "fake fighters." What makes the MMA assholes(again, NOT MMA fans in general, just the asshole fans) really look stupid is the fact that they're showing the world they don't really know anything about a sport they supposedly are experts about. If they really knew anything about MMA, they wouldn't be such shit-talkers because MMA was built on the foundation of R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
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Post by Reaper on Jun 16, 2009 0:07:02 GMT -6
MMA fans, in general, only think people that just MMA trained fighters are the only people that are good. They will talk all kinds of shit on a pro wrestler or a boxer or any other athlete that tries to crossover. What they fail to realize is that MMA training doesn't differ very much from other combat sports with Pro Wrestling being included only because of the grappling aspect.
A lot of them will talk shit on pro wrestlers because there have been a number of them who have failed miserably, and of the ones that failed none of them have the same kind of accolades that a Brock Lesnar or Bobby Lashley have. They bashed Brock and Lashley, without realizing that these guys are very good amateur wrestlers. Thats one of the best bases to have in MMA. And they'll bash Boxers because all they do is throw hands. But once a guy with a good base like wrestling or boxing actually trains for an MMA fight, they will be able to hold their ground.
Sylvia... he's been in a downward spiral for awhile and even when he was champion... the UFC Heavyweight division didn't have anybody that was all that good. So seeing him get knocked out by a boxer doesn't shock me. Same thing happened to Kimbo Slice. Same thing could happen to anybody. The problem with some Fans is that they take what the fighters say too seriously. For the most part the fighters shit talk is for two reasons, first to create a drama for fans to choose a side and secondly its to pump themselves up. Seriously if half the crap some of the MMA guys said was true, they wouldn't shake hands after a fight, its all just banter really so they can air out some stuff to get off their chest... then they fight it out and any real aggression is let out and their mostly friendly or indifferent after that. Some of the MMA fans are worse than idiot rednecks who still think Pro wrestling is real.
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Post by sh17 on Jun 16, 2009 0:24:02 GMT -6
If anyone wants to learn the true nature of MMA, not just what The Ultimate Fighter(which while has produced some great fighters I compare it to Tough Enough. Granted TUF has kicked so much ass for UFC and Spike TV, that's not relevant at the time) shows as learning the business and such, then they need to read Blood In The Cage, which is written by Jon Wertheim. He traces the roots of the UFC back to when John McCain was blocking them from PPV, and also spends a lot of time with Pat Miletich and his camp in Iowa(which produced Tim Sylvia ironically enough). The best book I've ever read on any competitive sport
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Post by Bubba JD on Jun 16, 2009 21:17:18 GMT -6
the funniest thing i hear, involving MMA, is how bad the MMA Guys are. yet, i hear of many fights ending pretty quickly. i'm drawing blanks on examples, at the moment. while MMA fighters are supposed to be tough, many of them don't have to put up with the rigors of pro wrestling, for example. takes just as much toughness to wrestle a 10-15 minute match, without breaks like MMA fights get.
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Post by sh17 on Jun 19, 2009 17:31:33 GMT -6
I'm not denying that both don't take an ass-kicking, whichever you decide to partake in you are going to be hurting. I think MMA is safer because you aren't taking as many risks, such as using weapons or flying off the top rope or off 20 foot ladders. At the same time, if you do not tap out when you have an armbar locked in on you, your arm will break. It's a conflicting issue
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Post by Reaper on Jun 19, 2009 18:23:44 GMT -6
They're both dangerous... and I would say they are equal in the danger.
Wrestling Example- You're constantly performing (depending on who you're with) whether it be a grueling 300 days a year, or a weekend wrestler. The fact is, you're out there doing it more than an MMA guy is. Theres more risks with certain bumps that an MMA guy doesn't have to worry about.
MMA Example- You're constantly training, so the risk of injury is always there, but the difference is, unlike wrestling, your job IS to hurt your opponent. You don't go out there with a pre-made agenda of stuff thats supposed to happen. The punches are always 100% force and and the submissions and throws can easily break bones or tear tendons. A series of blows to the head could potentially kill a man, but theres more of a chance to get brain damage or losing sight or hearing or even basic motor skills... or paralysis.
MMA guys are bad asses... because their job is to fight and hurt people. Wrestlers are bad asses because they can take punishment on a scale that a normal person wouldn't be willing to put themselves through. Hell a soldier is a badass, because if it comes down to it, he has to put his life on the line. It all depends on perspective I suppose, but to think one is more dangerous than the other is just wrong. If what you do requires to train nonstop or go out and get your ass kicked (daily, weekly, monthly, whatever) then no version of it is anymore dangerous than the other.... except fighting a war... that always wins.
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Post by Bubba JD on Jun 20, 2009 0:05:05 GMT -6
that's a good way of thinking of it. it's the 'apples to oranges' comparison. no way you can accurately compare either business.
guess my only complaint is that MMA is taken so seriously, yet wrestling is still laughed at.
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