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Post by Bubba JD on Jul 1, 2009 21:46:29 GMT -6
This is all a matter of opinions, the only people that will ever know this for sure are Bret, Vince, Shawn, and Hebner. Having watched it live via PPV, I could see to where it looked real. Over the years though, they have ALL milked it to the point that it makes it look like an elaborate work. Lets look at it really, it happened when everybody knew Bret was leaving for WCW, and it was unlikely that Bret wasn't dropping that belt anyway. EVEN IF Bret was going to avoid losing the belt, thats just setting ones self up for a few lawsuits. But when Bret made his debut in WCW, he was a huge face. Even with the scattered talks of him possibly being nWo, anytime his name was mentioned, people ate it up. The way he left WWF actually increased his stock and made him even more of a legend in the business than he already was. So was Bret screwed? Not really if you want to break it down. He wasn't going to be the champion after that night no matter how the match ended and he was made an even bigger star because of its happening. Bret benefited from it more than the others except maybe Hebner who still gets hit with chants. Lance Storm had a theory posted about, a number of years ago. i think he came to the conclusion that it was a work. a few big points. first, as you pointed out, this would've set up WWE & Vince McMahon to a few lawsuits. Vince, like the average person, would probably prefer to avoid the lawsuits, when possible. also, why would Bret allow himself to be put into a situation where he could be screwed, knowing (in advance) that a screwjob was coming? for those who forget, Bret was warned (i forget who told him), in advance, that it was going to happen. furthermore, if Vince wanted to screw Bret, why would this be such a poorly kept secret? also, as it was already pointed out, everyone involved knew that they'd gain a lot of notoriety from this. Vince, along with WWE, would gain an insane amount of controversy over this. they could milk this for a lot of money & publicity, if done properly. HBK would gain from it, making his merchandising worth more (giving him a bigger bonus from merchandising). he could probably gain a better contract, when he eventually re-signed. Hebner would gain a reputation that few referees (or non-wrestlers) would ever get to gain. Hart, as was mentioned, would be the talk of the wrestling world. this incident pretty much guaranteed that he'd be a legend. this guaranteed that he'd be right up there with Hogan, Flair & other huge names. no guarantees he would've been that well respected, without the screwjob. anyway, on to my next question. if you had to pick having either insane amounts of wealth or being the best looking dude ever, which would you choose? you can pick 1 or the other. |
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Post by Reaper on Jul 2, 2009 18:03:40 GMT -6
Ten things I would change if I were in charge...
1. I'm officially the dictator
2. You don't have to like me, just respect me.
3. I won't fuck with you, if you don't fuck with me.
4. The country will continue with business as usual... except I can overturn any of those stupid ass laws they want to try and push through.
5. People who try to pursue frivolous lawsuits because they have no common sense may find themselves on the wrong end of the death penalty.
6. Government grants will no longer be given to money hungry scientists who "experiment" on crap nobody cares about.
7. Femenists who preach equality will get exactly that, and I would bet they won't like it.
8. If gays want to ruin their lives by getting married and see what its really like, fine.
9. People will actually be held accountable for their own actions finally, so they can come up with lame ass excuses if they want, but they won't fly.
10. I'll probably cut taxes, but at the same time I won't bullshit you about where the money is going.
And if I were to pick between money or looks... the funny part is no matter what I pick the outcome would ultimately be the same. Rich, ugly guys are treated like very attractive guys... So its kind of a trick question. So I'll give you a trick answer... I'd be the rich ugly guy... and give myself a new face... or I'd be attractive and just get a modeling or acting career which will give me all the money I'll need....
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Post by sh17 on Jul 2, 2009 18:17:15 GMT -6
If you were given a time machine, and told you could use it twice, one to go back in time and change one thing and one to come back to the present, what would you change?
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Post by Bubba JD on Jul 3, 2009 23:52:56 GMT -6
7. Femenists who preach equality will get exactly that, and I would bet they won't like it. would this include making women register for the draft, as well as fight on the front lines, just like men? that would be equality, wouldn't it? wouldn't being the rich, ugly dude be easier? after all, you could "buy a new face" if you had enough wealth. plus, there's so many hot women around, you could have your pick of which woman you'd want. if you were good looking, wouldn't you have to compete with other good looking people for the same modeling/acting gigs? if you could have only 1 super power (it can be good or bad), what would you choose? |
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Post by Reaper on Jul 3, 2009 23:59:05 GMT -6
Yes, it would include everything they are excluded from currently. They want to be equal, then they have to do all the crap men have to do. And being rich and ugly wouldn't necessarily be easier... if we're going with the whole buying a new look thats a lot of pain... Its all a matter of perspective really.
New batch of questions....
If I were to go back in time to change something, I'd probably pick changing an assassination of one of the presidents. Not sure who... probably Kennedy, but I'd do it just to see what would have happened and how it would have effected now.
As far as super powers, I'd go with Teleportation or Flight. Only because I enjoy traveling, as in destinations, just not the act of actually getting there. And I could avoid airport security too...
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Post by sh17 on Jul 4, 2009 0:53:31 GMT -6
Your the best man at your best friends wedding. The night is going great, except he pulls you over to the side. He tells you "I need you to buy me ____"
Which of these three items do you want him to say the least?: Condoms, tampons, Vagasil
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Post by Reaper on Jul 4, 2009 1:13:51 GMT -6
Vagasil... but only because that would imply that you may also have problems. Condoms are usually accessible enough that nobody cares.. Tampons would be weird, but that just make you (the guy) look like a better person.
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Post by sh17 on Jul 4, 2009 23:11:38 GMT -6
OK, here's one I need settled between a friend and I(no one from SNW so this does not cloud your reasoning oh wise Reaper)
How hot does a girl have to be before you would do a Devil's Three Way with her?
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Post by Reaper on Jul 5, 2009 0:41:36 GMT -6
Depending on your scale... a good 8.5 or 9. There is no real logic to this, the scale is out of 10. You be the judge of the 8.5 or 9, thats on you to decide. The Reaper has spoken, all sales are final.
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Post by Bubba JD on Jul 5, 2009 21:33:59 GMT -6
OK, here's one I need settled between a friend and I(no one from SNW so this does not cloud your reasoning oh wise Reaper) How hot does a girl have to be before you would do a Devil's Three Way with her? dude......there's only one style of 3 way that a man should partake in. it should preferable have hot twins in it. maybe a mother/daughter act, especially if the mother's a real MILF. unless it's involving two truly hot women, then you should never do the 3 way.......NEVER!!! now that i got THAT rant overwith, i gotta question. what's your favorite kind of woman, Reaper? (feel free to name personality and/or physical appearance) |
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Post by Reaper on Sept 4, 2009 16:02:16 GMT -6
*yawn... blows dust off the thread...whistles*
Wow, its been awhile, why was I not reminded of this?
The answer to this particular question is confident, with a sense of humor, and someone that enjoys doing things.. a lot. Because lets face it, sitting around in a house, being bored... well thats just lame and boring. Mopers that have no funny bone in their body and just want to sit around doing nothing ain't my style.
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Post by "Classy" djowalsen on Sept 4, 2009 17:40:17 GMT -6
Reaper, why did the Roman Empire fall? Or, are you in the camp of historian who oppose the idea of a "fall" and see the apparent fall as just the pronouncement of longstanding trends of decentralization in the Empire?
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Post by Reaper on Sept 4, 2009 19:02:54 GMT -6
The Roman Empire fell because the Roman's for all extensive purposes were stupid. They neglected things that needed a lot of attention. Arrogance and ignorance is a short answer... a longer answer is the fact that the Emperors grew more corrupt as the empire dragged on. The Senate began to become at odds with the Emperor and things got screwy. Some attribute the fall of morals as well, but to be honest, theres only so far that can ACTUALLY go. Incest, beastiality and promiscuity while certainly a problem, was only a minor player in the Fall of the Empire.
Stupidity of the Roman army allowing their "conquered 'barbarians'" to join up with them and ultimately learning their tactics so they could turn the tables... as well as the fact that the Romans took over too much land way too quickly. If you stretch your forces out theirs only so many men that can fight the new battles as well as defend the areas that are trying to be retaken elsewhere.
The economy failed, mostly because of the continuous military efforts, making inflation and taxation a major problem. Also, unemployment due to the low cost of slave labor lead to working class Romans living off of subsidies given out by the government. Of course, while these folks couldn't work, it turned into civil unrest and so they'd riot... giving way to the Gladiatorial games which cost the Empire a lot of money, but at least it amused the people eh....
Famines and plagues also happened and since people (and by this I mean large groups of people... like everybody) are insane while in masses, they had to find something to blame it on and other religions to help them out. So this is where Christianity comes in, and since it taught an afterlife, people liked that... considering a lot of them were dying without going the usual lifespan. This lead to a Christian Emperor and also lead to being more pacifist.
Well eventually all of this good stuff came to a head and Rome was invaded... what a shocker. The Visigoths got in there and then the Vandals some years later and they destroyed roman authority. And then some years later the aqueducts that supplied the water were destroyed taking out most of the population.
So if you REALLY look at it, we can easily see how a lot of this looks fairly similar to whats going on here and now.
The Government barely gets along with the president because all of them are corrupted by something
Outsourcing jobs (slave labor) and the joblessness while the economy collapses.
Hell all we have to wait for now, is famine and plagues... people hating the government so much that they riot and/or try to overthrow it... our oil supply being cut off somehow (like the aqueducts)... and being invaded.
So in closing the Romans couldn't see the writing on the wall, and instead of trying to fix their problems... they just rolled with them and hoped for the best. I just hope WE aren't going down that same path.
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Post by sh17 on Sept 4, 2009 19:34:26 GMT -6
Excuse me, Mr. Reaper? But I have a query I would like you to please ponder and edify us with your intelligent conclusion.
Why is it that people won't call/fax/email their opinions to their Congressman, Senators, Governors, and other elected officials when things such as tax cuts/hikes, health care, oversees wars and other really important matters arise yet whenever some girl gets pulled from Playboy this really makes us mad and we must picket and call and blah blah blah all that somesuch?
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Post by Hollywood on Sept 4, 2009 20:19:15 GMT -6
Geez, I was being facetious about the whole Playboy thing, sir. Can no one take a joke on the internet anymore? (strips Vincent Matthews of Texas Championship)  |
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